Re: Comments on version 3.04: QUICK JOB for Claus !!

From: Michael Murray (murray@CyclotronMail.tamu.edu)
Date: Wed Jul 10 2002 - 18:38:22 EDT

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      Dear Steve,
               I first saw antiparticle/particle ratios expressed in terms of
    chemical potentials in a talk by Rafelski. The mu_s=mu_q/4 is unique to us
    since no-one has shown such a wide range of pbar/p vs k-/k+ yet.
                Michael
    
    
    
    Quoting "Stephen J. Sanders" <ssanders@ku.edu>:
    
    > Dear Jens Jorgen,
    > Thanks for the clarification on the calculation!  I was missing the
    > second term in the k-/k+ ratio.    Is there a good reference for
    > this?  Just based on the papers that we cite, I would have taken
    > the particle production to scale as
    > 1/exp[{E - mu_b B - mu_s S}/T],
    > with B and S being the baryon and
    > strangeness numbers for the resulting hadrons.
    > 
    > Regards,
    > Steve  
    > 
    > on 7/7/02 5:36 AM, Jens Jørgen Gaardhøje at gardhoje@nbi.dk wrote:
    > 
    > > Dear Steve,
    > > Thanks for your precise and relevant comments. They are now in version
    > 3.05,
    > > which I will however not circulate until monday evening - to minimize
    > > confusion among the crowd.
    > > 
    > > The Becattini curve has yet to find its way into figure 4. (CLAUS !?)
    > > 
    > > I have gone through the calc. again and find no mistake in the
    > relationship
    > > mu_s=1/4 . mu_q.
    > > 
    > > pbar/p = exp( -2mu_b/T) = exp(-6mu_q/T)
    > > 
    > > k-/k+ = exp( 2 mu_s/T) . exp( -2 mu_q/T) ; since K- has an anti-u and
    > a s,
    > > and antiparticles contribute with opposite sign chem. pot. etc.
    > > 
    > > This leads to the relation k-/k+=  exp(2mu_s/T) . (pbar/p)**1/3   (1)
    > > 
    > > We observe k-/k+ = (pbar/p)**1/4.
    > > 
    > > equating k-/k+ above with the RH side leds to the quoted identity.
    > > 
    > > Another approach would have been to fit the data to an expression like
    > (1)
    > > and let mu_s and T vary. => CLAUS CAN YOU DO THAT??
    > > 
    > > Please let me know if we agree on the formalism.
    > > cheers
    > > JJ
    > > 
    > > 
    > > ____________________________________________________________
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    > > 
    > > 
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Stephen J. Sanders" <ssanders@ku.edu>
    > > To: <brahms-l@bnl.gov>
    > > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:34 PM
    > > Subject: Comments on version 3.04
    > > 
    > > 
    > >> Dear Jens Jorgen and Claus,
    > >> Overall the paper seems to tell an interesting story.  Nice job.
    > >> Some comments:
    > >> 
    > >> PRL required full postal addresses.  For the US institutions, this
    > means
    > > you
    > >> will need to
    > >> supply the states and postal zip codes.
    > >> 
    > >> Abstract:
    > >> "ratios at midrapidity"   (typo in draft)
    > >> "from mu_b=120 MeV at forward rapidity to mu_b ~25MeV at
    > mid-rapidity"
    > >> (otherwise the reader will
    > >> assume a parallel structure to the previous sentence where one
    > >> goes FROM midrapidity  TO
    > >> forward rapidity)
    > >> 
    > >> Paragraph 1.
    > >> "...considerable transparency is expected for Au+Au collisions, even
    > > for
    > >> central events."
    > >> (current sentence is poorly formed and confusing)
    > >> "...near midrapidity and pbar/p and K-/K+ particle number ratios
    > with
    > >> values near unity."
    > >> (current sentence poorly formed...)
    > >> "...described above, reminiscent..."  (remove "a" before
    > reminiscent)
    > >> 
    > >> Paragraph 3.
    > >> "...ratios are approaching unity, with values of 0.75+-0.04(pbar/p),
    > >> 0.95+-0.05(K-/K+), and
    > >> 1.01+-0.04(pi-/pi+), respectively."
    > >> (What does "over 0.95+-0.05" mean?!!!!  Is this a claim that we
    > don't
    > >> believe the quoted uncertainty?
    > >> 
    > >> Paragraph 5.
    > >> "p=5.5 and 8GeV/c, respectively."  (add comma)
    > >> 
    > >> Paragraph 6.
    > >> "The primary event trigger was based on two Zero Degree Calorimeters
    > >> (ZDCs) located +/-18m
    > >> from the nominal IP [12].  The reaction centrality was determined
    > > using
    > >> a plastic
    > >> scintillator tile array surrounding the intersection region[7,8,12].
    > >> Beam-Beam Counters (BBCs),
    > >> consisting of two arrays of Cherenkov radiators positions +-2.15 m
    > > from
    > >> the IP, measured charged
    > >> hadrons in the pseudorapidity range 3.0<|eta|<3.8.  For the 25% most
    > >> central collisions, the BBCs
    > >> allow collision vertex determination with a resolution of sig_z~0.65
    > > cm
    > >> and supply the start time
    > >> for the time-of-flight measurement with sig_t<~30 ps."
    > >> (Otherwise ZDC is used in Paragraphs 8, but never defined.)
    > >> 
    > >> Paragraph 8.
    > >> "...expected \beta^{-1} vs. momentum behavior for..."  (add
    > behavior)
    > >> "...BBC-ZDC..."   (We used BBC in the multiplicity papers and it
    > > would
    > >> be nice to be consistent...)
    > >> 
    > >> Paragraph 9.
    > >> "In the MRS the background contribution to the proton yields,
    > > arising
    > >> mainly..."  (Otherwise,
    > >> I'm not sure what is meant by "from protons"...)
    > >> 
    > >> Paragraph 11.
    > >> "{\it etc.}"   (add period to indicate abbreviation of "et cetera")
    > >> 
    > >> Paragraph 12.
    > >> "Systematic uncertainties are estimated as 2% in the case of pions
    > > and
    > >> kaons and as 4% in the case
    > >> of protons."  (Both instances of "to" should be changed to "as".)
    > >> 
    > >> "...invariant plateau around midrapidity as proposed by Bjorken."
    > > (add
    > >> "as")
    > >> 
    > >> Paragraph 14.
    > >> (Here I am suggesting a rewording that would have made this
    > > discussion
    > >> clearer to me after reading
    > >> the EARLIER Braun-Munzinger papers, which we don't cite.  However, I
    > >> am also not
    > >> getting your expression of mu_s=1/4 mu_q, so I may be missing
    > >> something else....(I find
    > >> mu_s = mu_b/4 rather than mu_q/4))
    > >> 
    > >> " ...expressed by a power low K-/K+=(pbar/p)^{1/4}.  The exponent
    > > gives
    > >> the scaling factor between
    > >> the strange and baryon chemical potentials. For a vanishing
    > >> strange-quark chemical
    > >> potential \mu_{qs}, this
    > >> exponent is expected to have a value of 1/3 (where mu_{qs}=\mu_B/3 -
    > >> \mu_S). The present
    > >> result sugests \mu_S = \mu_B / 4."
    > >> 
    > >> Figure Caption 4.
    > >> Becattini results stated in caption is not shown (on my figure...)
    > >> 
    > >> Regards,
    > >> Steve
    > >> 
    > >> 
    > >> 
    > > 
    > 
    
    
    
    Michael Murray, Cyclotron TAMU, 979 845 1411 x 273, Fax 1899
    



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