Re: First Draft of a ratios paper for 100+100 (fwd)

From: Michael Murray (murray@CyclotronMail.tamu.edu)
Date: Fri Apr 19 2002 - 19:13:47 EDT

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    Q         Dear Claus, Jens Jorgen and others,
                                                             it is lovely to see
    such great data coming out from BRAHMS.  Thanks
               for all the work in producing the draft.
                                                 Yours Michael
    
               In general I think the paper underplays the importance of the
    rapidity dependence of the ratios.
               This is not discussed in the two source model at the bottom of page 6
    or in the thermal model
               on page 7.
    
               When describing the effect of weak decays say which way the
    corrections would shift the ratios.
               I beleive pbar/p would decrease.  What can we learn from the failure
    of HIGING and the sucess of
               AMPT?
    
               Page 1: The incoming baryons do not decay in flight. Rather the model
    of [3] depicts a AuAu
               collison at 200GeV as two thin sheet of partons that pass through
    each other. This causes the
               excitation of color charges which produce coherent fields between the
    nuclei, somewhat
               like the electric field between 2 capacitor plates. The attraction of
    the charges causes the
               plates to decelerate. After some time the fields decay into pairs of
    quarks and gluons.
    
               For the thermal model we  have only 2 independent parameters, mu_q
    and Tchem.  Since
               pbar/p = exp-6(Mu_q/Tchem)  the fact that it decreases with rapidity
    must mean that
    
               Mu_q/Tchem increases, or Mu_q increases.
    
               But what about Mu_s?
    
               Taking
               Similary k-/k+ = exp (-2mu_q+2mu_s)/Tchem
               ==>       k-/k+ = (pbar/p)**1/3* exp(2Mu_s/Tchem)
    
               and       Mu_s/Tchem = 0.5 * (ln(k-/k+) - 1/3 ln (pbar/b))
    
    
               At y = 0 we have Mu_s/Tchem =  0.00 +-  0.03
    
               At y ~ 3 we have Mu_s/Tchem =  0.12 +-  0.06
    
               Thus there is a slight tendency for Mu_s to increase with Mu_q which
    is what we would expect if
               the temperature stays constant.
    
               It seems to me that nothing is made of the 2 source model . The last
    sentance of this paragraph
               is a tautology.
    
               For the sqrt(S) dependence shown in Figure 4 why do we only show AuAu
    and not pp? Also
               why not try to study the energy dependence of the ratios at forward
    rapidity. One choise would
               be to compare the ratios at a constant y/ybeam.  Two units from
    central rapidity at RHIC is
               about 1 unit away from central at SPS and so we could compare to NA44
    data.
               At the AGS we would want data about 0.5 units away from y=0. Flemming
    do these data exist?
    
               Title:
    
               We show ratios of antihadrons/hadrons so the title is slightly
    incorrect. Only the first word should
               be capitalised. For Sqrt(S_{nn}) I beleive the convention is to use
    nn rather than NN.
    
               Abstract:
    
               We will surely work on this some more. I think that we should mention
    that our pp results are close
               to the AuAu ones and think of what we learn from these. I would also
    mention the success of AMPT
               in reproducing the results.
    
               PACS:
               Add the following number to flag the  pp data.
               13.85.-t Hadron-induced high- and super-high-energy interactions
    (energy above 10 GeV)
    
    
    
               Figures :
    
               For Figure 1 panels (c) and (d) why not put the symbols pi, k and p
    at the appropriate mass**2.
               For panel (c) the proton peak seems to be in the right place but the
    pion peak seems to be at
               negative mass**2. This implies some problem with either the momentum,
    time or length scales used
               to derive mass**2. When we use C1 to veto pions is there a
    significant inefficency for the
               kaons and protons? (This is the infamous Cerenkov veto effect from
    NA44)
               From panel (c) this looks about 5% for the protons. Since there are
    usaully more e- than e+ around
               it may not be the same for antiprotons.
                  The horizontal scale for panels (a) and (b) should be Momentum/q
    to aggree with the text.
    
              For Figure 2 I would arrange the panels as in Fig 1, ie 2 rows and 2
    columns. For y=2 the
              pbar/p ratio must have a very bad Chi**2/NDF, I'd guess about 6,  when
    fit to a constant.
              This makes me suspect that the errors are underestimated.  The panels
    should be labeled
              (a), (b), (c) and (d).
    
              For Figure 3, please make each of the panels have the same scale, ie
    the difference  between
              0.8 and 1.0 should be the same number of cm for each panel. Use the
    same set of symbols for
              pi-/pi+, k-/k+ and pbar/p as  for Figures 1,2 and 4. Add the AMPT
    prediction since this does a
              very good job of the ratios both at RHIC and the SPS. I would not
    remove the 130GeV points.
              The notation of the ratios in Figure 3 is very ugly. Trying to read
    N(K-)/N(K+) at 90 degrees is hard.
              Why not just put pi-/pi+, K-/K+ and pbar/p horizontally This would be
    much clearer both here and
              in the text. (Look at the legend in Figure 4). It seems to me that
    this is also the place to show the pp data.
              By the way the 3 panels should be labeled (a), (b) and (c). Remove
    "BRAHMS Preliminary". Also you
              should not in the caption that the SPS data is for PbPb.
    
              For Figure 4  why not add the 40 and 20GeV results from NA49. Also I
    would put
              the labels AGS, SPS and RHIC on the top line of the box around the
    graph. "SPS" should be
              properly centered. As noted above I would add plots for the pp data
    and the ratios at
              y=2 or so.
    
    
              For all the figures all labels should have the same precision.
    Therefore you should change
              "0.8 1 1.2" to "0.8 1.0 1.2". Generally avoid writing at 90 degrees
    since it is harder to read than
              text that is  horizontal.
    
    
    
            References:
            These are slightly out of order. Physical Review prefers that we use
    BIBTEX since it makes it
            easier for them to "havest" the references  and insert hyperlinks in the
    electronic version of the
            paper. Also it is simpler ti control the format of the references. For
    us it means that we don't  have
             to worry about
            ordering the references, or fomating them (italizing "Et Al" etc)
              and we can use the same bibtex file for all our papers. We just keep
    adding
            new references as we need them. Latex then keeps track of which ones we
    use.
            If you wish I can make this. At the moment you make the first
            citation of   references in the following order
            1,2,3,  6,7, 8,11,9,10,   4,5,6, 12,13, 15
    
            Ref [3] is
            I. N. Mishustin and J. I.  Kapusta       Phys. Rev. Lett.       88,
    112501 (2002).
            Ref [7] is
            B. B. Back et al.     Phys. Rev    Lett. 88,     022302 (2002)
            Ref [12] is nucl-ex/0203016 put C. Adler before STAR Collaboration
            Ref [2] is W.A. Zajc and PHENIX Collaboration, Nucl Phys A698  39c
    (2002).
            Ref [4] say " `Conceptual " , ie use open quote.
    
            Please cite the ZDC NIM paper at the top of page 5, it is
            C. Adler, A. Denisov, E. Garcia, M. Murray, H. Strobele and  S.  White
            Nucl.Instrum.Meth. A470 (2001) 488-499
    
    
          We should make the numbers easily available so that we have a bigger
    impact.
          For the STAR HBT paper  nucl-ex/0107008 they point to a URL with the data
    in their abstract
          at the LANL preprint server.
    
         Title: Pion Interferometry of $\sqrt{s_{NN}} = 130$ GeV Au+Au Collisions at
    RHIC
         Authors: STAR Collaboration: C. Adler, et al
         Comments: 6 pages, 3 figures; accepted to Phys Rev Lett; data tables
    available at STAR web site this http
         URL Click on "Publications" in menu bar
    
         We should make our data publically avaible both by having links in the
    publication to our web site and
         by submitting it to EPAPS.
    
         Language:
    
        I really think that N(K-)/N(K+) is much less clear than K-/K+. Throughout
    the text "Figure" is used even
        when it is not the first word in a sentance. "Physical Review" prefers
    "Fig." accept at the begining of
        a sentance.
    
    
        On page 3 I think CM energy of 39.4TeV is less precise than
    Sqrt(S_nn)=200GeV since we do not
        know that all the nucleons take part in the collision.
    
        2nd paragraph
        1st line say "we present THE first measurements"
        Is it really necessary to talk about the ratios of charged mesons, hadrons
    and baryons? Why not just say that
        we study the ratios or antiparticles and particles.
        I would  define rapidity as tanh-1 (beta_z). While you are doing this should
    you not also define
        pseudo-rapidity and p_T which you use in the paper?
    
    
         Page 4
        Line 3 change pi+/pi- to pi-/pi+.
        2nd paragraph, 1st line. Change "light mesons" to "pions"
    
        3rd paragraph: The MRS does not cover 30^0 < theta < 90^o. Rather it can be
    rotated
         between these angles. The same is   true for the FRS. Use the term "polar
    angle"
    
         Don't define acronyms that you don't use later, eg TPCs, PID, FFS, BFS, IR
    and TOFW.
    
         Page 5:
         Line 1 use " `minimum " instead of " 'minimium "
         Line 3 reference the ZDC Nim paper
    
         Paragraph 4 say "with 2sigma of the expected velocity for a given moment
    and particle type."
         Put a period after "vertex distributions" and start a new sentance with
    "Then the particle ..."
    
         Last paragraph. Put a period after 40 degrees.
         Last sentance change "For Kaons" to "For kaons" and  change K- to K^-   .
    
        Page 6
        1st line. Replace "shown experimental ratios" by "data"
    
        Paragraph 1 change p_t by p_T throughout the text and figures.
        Move the sentance about the centrality bias to just after the description of
    the spectrometers.
        Last line change "In the following quote" to  "In the following WE quote"
    
        Why do  we say y~0. Don't we mean y=0?
    
        Page 7 You derive nothing from the 2 source model. The llast line of
    paragpaph 1 is a tautology.
       Don't start a sentance with a symbol. Instead of "T=174"  say "The
    temperature T="
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Michael Murray, Cyclotron TAMU, 979 845 1411 x 273, Fax 1899
    
    



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