Fw: deuterons etc..

From: Jens Jørgen Gaardhøje (gardhoje@nbi.dk)
Date: Fri Oct 18 2002 - 17:43:30 EDT

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    > Dear friends,
    >
    > The problem at hand that Marco is struggling with concerns estimating the
    > corrections to p, pbar, d and anti-d in view of
    > correcting the raw measured B_2 and B_anti-2 derived from the basic yields
    > of these particles after acceptance correction etc.
    > All for the MRS and for now at 90 deg.
    >
    > Let me try to summarize my understanding of these corrections and of their
    > relative importances for the sake of discussion.
    > All input is welcome.
    >
    > The experimental quantity B_A is proportional to the ratio  (dN_A/dp_A) /
    > (dN_p/dp_p)**A, neglecting energy dep. prefactors.
    > Thus is follows directly from the measured yields of identified particles
    > after correction for geometrical acceptance, contamination from
    > secondary particles (produced and due to decays), absorption (in material
    > between the collision vertex and the final PID detector) and decay losses
    > (not applicable here).
    >
    > Production contribution:
    > to protons:
    > These can be ejected from the beam pipe and produced in secondary
    reactions
    > with other detectors, magnets etc... They can originate from knock-out
    > reactions on nuclei or from pair production in a dense medium. Both pi, K,
    > and p (and their antiparticles) can contribute to this. Thus the effect
    can
    > be simulated by generating particles in the MC according to spectra
    > distributions with slopes and yields close to those which we have measured
    > in the MRS.
    > to deuterons:
    > I would expect that there is a finite (but small) contribution to the
    > deuteron yields from knock out from very light nuclei (mainly the Be
    pipe).
    > The energy required to produce a d and d-bar pair (4GeV) is so large that
    > the yield from this source must be vanishing.
    > to antiprotons:
    > since there are not antiprotons present in the material surrounding the
    > experiment the only contribution can be pair production.. this requires at
    > least 2 GeV of primary energy, thus the effect must be relatively much
    > smaller than for protons.
    > to antideuterons:
    > Since there is no knock out possible, the only contribution is from
    > pairproduction. It is presumably of exactly the same magnitude as for d.
    >
    > Decay (feed down) contributions:
    > to protons:
    > These originate mainly from the decay of baryonic resonances (hyperons
    > etc..). STAR has measured the Lambda yield (Lamda/p=1/2 ?). The
    contribution
    > from protons from such decays in our acceptance needs to be estimated.
    This
    > may be the most important contribution to the B2 corrections.
    > to antiprotons:
    > Similar. Star has measured antilambda/lambda (= 3/4 ?).
    > to deuterons and antideuterons:
    > unimportant. Only source I could think of is fragmentation of heavier (and
    > rarer) clusters.
    >
    > Absorbtion contributions:
    > to protons:
    > absorption in pipe and in air mostly.
    > to deuterons:
    > idem. The main effect is presumably the larger cross section of the
    > deuteron. Some estimate of this can be optained by looking in the review
    of
    > part. physics p. 208 and following. At E_p > 1Gev the pd cross section is
    a
    > factor of two larger than for pn collisions. So roughly the deuterons is
    > twice the size of the nucleon - not surprisingly.
    > to antiprotons:
    > significant contribution due to absorbtion in the pipe and in air (at low
    > momenta)
    > to antideuterons:
    > the absorbtion contribution should resemble that for antiprotons, but with
    a
    > higher cross section. I would expect that for large antideuteron energies
    > ( > 1 GeV) the absorption is twice that for antiprotons (in relative
    terms).
    > At lower energies the Coulomb interaction plays a dominant role. But, a
    > reasonable approximation is probably still to take the antiproton
    absorbtion
    > and multiply by two (for comparable CM energies) since the neutron does
    not
    > contribute to the total charge.
    >
    > All of these corrections are momentum dependent, i.e. dependent on the
    input
    > momentum of the particles.
    >
    > Since we have a good Monte Carlo description of the experiment, the
    natural
    > course of action seems to me to create a full calculation with a mix of
    the
    > approximately correct yields and spectrum slopes of the original particles
    > and antiparticles, letting decays be operational, and then for each
    particle
    > type (p, d, pbar, dbar) of interest to take the ratio of the input
    spectrum
    > and the accepted/reconstructed spectrum after PID in TOFW. This results in
    > the momentum dependent correction factors to be applied to the spectra
    > before calculating the B2. As mentioned above the antideuterons present a
    > problem, but I would probably apply the antiproton correction up to 0.5
    GeV
    > ( the antiproton dominates the Coulomb part) and then twice that at higher
    > energies (above 1GeV).
    >
    > This could either be done with a mix of thermal spectra or with a large
    > HIJING sample of events (we know that HIJING is quite OK at mid-rapidity).
    > HIJING events are probably too small to allow for a reasonable d study.
    >
    > hope this is of some use
    > cheers
    > jj
    >
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    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: <murray@comp.tamu.edu>
    > To: <brahms-dev-l@bnl.gov>
    > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 12:23 AM
    > Subject: Re: deuterons in brag
    >
    >
    > >    Can one not take the approach that if the dbar hits anything hard it
    > > will split up into an nbar and pbar. Thus one could create a dbar in
    > > GEANT and then check everytime GUHADR if it is scheduled to have a
    > > hadronic interaction. At that point one could kill it and transform into
    > > a pbar and nbar.
    > >   Alternatively one can do the analysis separely for dbars and nbars
    > > at least when you are out of the magnetic fields.
    > >                Michael
    > >
    > > Quoting Flemming Videbaek <videbaek@sgs1.hirg.bnl.gov>:
    > >
    > > > Hi
    > > > To the best of my knowledge anti-deuterons are not defined in geant !
    > > > One can certainly define a particle being a anti-deuteron, and one can
    > make
    > > > it behave properly in regard
    > > > to multiple scattering, energy loss and tracking - but NOT for
    hadronic
    > > > integraction (and absorbtion) which
    > > > requires a proper interface to the tracking part of hadronic
    > interaction.
    > > > Good but tough problem.
    > > >
    > > > Flemming'
    > > > ------------------------------------------------------
    > > > Flemming Videbaek
    > > > Physics Department
    > > > Brookhaven National Laboratory
    > > >
    > > > tlf: 631-344-4106
    > > > fax 631-344-1334
    > > > e-mail: videbaek@bnl.gov
    > > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > > From: "Marco Germinario" <germina@hilux17.nbi.dk>
    > > > To: "Flemming Videbaek" <videbaek@sgs1.hirg.bnl.gov>
    > > > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 4:35 PM
    > > > Subject: Re: deuterons in brag
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Hi Flemming,
    > > > > I've been looking at the Geant manual, and the deuteron number is
    > 45.Th
    > > > > e problem is I can't find out how to throw antideuterons,and how to
    > > > > rethreive them,if f ex i want to find the ratio between thrown and
    > > > > accepted antideuterons. And at which point I should issue the
    command
    > > > > cont/print part 0  ?
    > > > > Thanks
    > > > > Marco
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Flemming Videbaek wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > This kind of stuff can be looked up in the Geant html
    description -
    > or
    > > > when
    > > > > > running brag
    > > > > > issue an cont/print part 0 that will print all the particles that
    > geant
    > > > > > knows of.
    > > > > > Deuteron are '42'
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
    > > > > > Flemming Videbaek
    > > > > > Physics Department
    > > > > > Brookhaven National Laboratory
    > > > > >
    > > > > > tlf: 631-344-4106
    > > > > > fax 631-344-1334
    > > > > > e-mail: videbaek@bnl.gov
    > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > > > > From: "Marco Germinario" <germina@hilux03.nbi.dk>
    > > > > > To: <brahms-dev-l@bnl.gov>
    > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:36 PM
    > > > > > Subject: deuterons in brag
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I'm making some knock out simulations for the beam pipe in
    > brag,and
    > > > have
    > > > > > > to look at protons and
    > > > > > > deuterons produced, vs pt.Does someone know which is the id
    number
    > > > for
    > > > > > > deuterons,if brag take it into account,or if some special
    > procedure
    > > > before
    > > > > > > to launch the simulation has to be taken?
    > > > > > > Thanks,
    > > > > > > Marco
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > --
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