RE: ratios 3.00 (fwd)

From: Ian Bearden (bearden@nbi.dk)
Date: Tue Jul 02 2002 - 07:47:02 EDT

  • Next message: Dieter Rohrich: "RE: ratios 3.00 (fwd)"

    A question to Dieter:
    You say that there is no 'good reason' to fit the data with the exponent
    1/4.
    How can you justify this, when the data clearly favor the exponent 1/4, and
    in fact a fit to K-/K+=(pbar/p)^a gives a=0.24?
    I guess you have been looking at an old version of the paper, and not the
    new one (which was out over 12 hours ago :-) ).  In the new plot, both
    curves are shown, which is the way to go, I think.
    Ian
    
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: owner-brahms-l@bnl.gov [mailto:owner-brahms-l@bnl.gov]On Behalf Of
    > Dieter Rohrich
    > Sent: 2. juli 2002 12:44
    > To: brahms-l
    > Subject: Re: ratios 3.00 (fwd)
    >
    >
    >
    > Dear Claus and JJ,
    >
    > a few comments:
    >
    >
    > abstract
    >
    > second sentence:
    > remove "and consistent with significant significant nuclear transparency"
    > Many scenarios may result in ratios like the ones we have measured.
    > And the main message of our paper is NOT to prove/disprove nuclear
    > transparency, but to present solid data which may shed light on the
    > dynamics of the collision. See Chellis' comment.
    >
    > third sentence:
    > remove "source in chemical equilibrium and"
    > If we use statistcal models AND interprete the parameters as T and
    > mu_b, we implicitely assume chemical equilibrium. We cannot deduce
    > from our data and the fitting to a statistical model chemical
    > equilibrium. This sentence has to go out!
    >
    >
    > Page 2:
    >
    > second column, first para.:
    > add a sentence about our acceptance in pt, i.e. that we typically
    > cover pt-ranges from x to y .
    >
    >
    > Page 3:
    >
    > first column, second paragraph, first sentence:
    > add a space between approx. and 2
    >
    > first column, last sentence, sec. c.,first s.:
    >
    > remove "This is consistent with the onset of the boost invariant
    > plateau around midrapidity proposed by Bjorken."
    > see comment above and Chellis' comment.
    >
    >
    > Page 4:
    >
    > Fig.4:
    >
    > remove the fit (pbar/p)**(1/4). As Michael nicely pointed out,
    > we have good reasons for the (pbar/p)**(1/3) curve, but no
    > physics argument for the (1/4) fit.
    >
    > add the predictions from the statistical model (Becattini et. al.)
    > Why did you take out this curve???? It can't be too difficult to replot
    > the curve from Fig. 4, PHYS REV, C64, 024901.
    > The authors have stated in their paper that the K-/K+ ratio is driven by
    > the pbar/p ratio and his little dependence on T. And that is what we see.
    >
    >
    > second column, first para.:
    >
    > remove "that can be expressed by a power law ..."
    > See comment above. A fit to a (1/4) power law without a physics
    > motivation is useless.
    >
    > remove "Comparison if the two relations indicates the universal
    > relationship ,,,,"
    > See comments above. Too speculative.
    >
    > last sentence:
    >
    > Rephrase sentence e.g. like this:
    >
    > "Within the framework of the statistcal model ([Becattini], solid line),
    > Fig. 4 suggests, that the baryon chemical potentials decrease
    > from ub=120Mev at y=3 to ub=25MeV at y=0 - keeping in mind that
    > this interpretion assumes local strangeness conservation."
    >
    >
    > Second column, second para.:
    >
    > remove "suggesting the existence of a boost invariant midrapidity
    > plateau dominated by particle production from the color field."
    > Again, we have no evidence for such statements, and we do not
    > measure particle ratios to discover/prove/disprove boost invariant
    > plateaus.
    >
    >
    >
    > With best wishes,
    > Dieter
    >
    >
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    >
    > On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Claus O. E. Jorgensen wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > Dear Colleagues,
    > >
    > > Version 3.02 of the ratios paper is now ready. You can find it here:
    > >
    > > http://www.nbi.dk/~ekman/RatioDraft3.02.ps
    > >
    > > Thanks for the many comments from many of you. Much, but of
    > course not all, has found
    > > its way into the manuscript.
    > >
    > > Finally we have decided to drop the AMPT comparison. Only the K
    > ratios do not agree so
    > > well. The discussion takes space and the calc. will clutter the
    > otherwise striking fig 3.
    > > We'll save that for a later comparisonor talks.
    > >
    > > We are now at the point where new mods. to the text introduce
    > new errors.
    > > The length is also OK now.
    > >
    > > A careful last proof reading of numbers would be appreciated by
    > fresh eyes. The ambition is
    > > to submit wednesday afternoon.
    > >
    > > regards
    > > Claus and JJ
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    



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